this post was submitted on 15 Feb 2024
309 points (95.0% liked)

Technology

60052 readers
2832 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related content.
  3. Be excellent to each another!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots


founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 113 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Mastodon logo looks like a happy comma

[–] [email protected] 45 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I thought that was the intention?

A double meaning icon, since the comma is used in writing on a text platform. I thought it was more creative than all the other soulless corporate minimalism.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

That is cool…tbh I never saw the comma - I only noticed the elephant - until that person pointed it out. But you’re right - it is creative.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Elephant? I see a speech bubble.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

it's clearly a happy t-rex

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It's a speech bubble and an elephant-like creature.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago

The blue sky one looks just like the msn logo

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yep you are right! Didn’t know it was a real animal.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 90 points 10 months ago

The decision was made the moment Bluesky chose to deliberately be incompatible with ActivityPub. They want the AT protocol to exist in their own domain because they know the moment they put the screws to monetize, users will flock to an instance where they don't.

[–] [email protected] 84 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Why would you ever trust a Jack Dorsey thing of any kind?

[–] [email protected] 52 points 10 months ago

"From the good people who brought you twitter..." reads like a threat.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I still don't get, why ppl go to blue sky.

Like, he sold his platform before, what says that he would not sell out again?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

"I'm now billionaire, I don't need the money anymore..."

...said no billionaire ever, yet people still choose to believe this crap.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Why does everyone think Jack Dorsey owns Bluesky? He's a largely inactive member of Bluesky's board, because he invested in early development of the AT Protocol. He doesn't even have an account. He's posting about Bitcoin on Nostr every day though, so it doesn't seem that he believes in Bluesky.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

It's just like twitter back when he ran things, it's alright, but it's still just late 2010s twitter with a different logo.

[–] [email protected] 76 points 10 months ago (5 children)

I just do not understand using a corpo solution over a better OSS solution. You know where it's going to go in your bones, yet you sign right up for another 10 year run before you change all over again. Like these people were just waiting for another terrible option to show up before they switched.

Fuck, just sign up with Mastodon and get it over with, you putzes. What is your issue with free software?

[–] [email protected] 46 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I mostly use Mastodon, but I 100% get it. The onboarding process is much easier with centralized services (no need for analogies to email), and more importantly, you're not at risk of losing half your follows/followers when server admins have a pissing match. As long as those friction points exist, there will be a market for centralized platforms.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I was impacted by the closing of mastodon.lol and I never recovered either my follow count, or frankly my interest and engagement in the platform since. I'm not alone, either. The 'migration' behavior was half baked at best, giving me what equates to a 301, not much else. There's a lot of work to be done here.

I am the most active on Threads for my brand account, and my personal account on Mastodon is a distant second. I know the people here are gonna throw shoes at me, but my activity is on Threads because that's clearly where the numbers are for my field and the market outside of the total loss that is Xitter.

Mastodon is probably not going to be any bigger than it is now. But you can self host and dictate your fate. In a time of protocols, not products, existing is a great place to be in. Make your own fate.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

If you are running a business account you really should be using your own mastodon server.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And poof! There goes the appeal.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Agreed, but it is a cost.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

👟👟 Here, hope they fit!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

There's also less complexity for a centralised system, since you don't have a big confusing mess having to learn which server you want to sign up with, how that impacts what you see, and how you connect with other servers.

It's one of the downsides of Lemmy, since people get completely boggled over their heads, and either jump to the biggest Instances that they can find (assuming that the servers are basically completely separate), or give up on it entirely because it's too confusing when you just want something simple and straightforward.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's astonishing! I get why dril or some celebrity would go with BlueSky, but journalists seem to be trying to make it a thing too! It's like did you learn nothing?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

dril and journos are just going where the numbers are. Simple as. Its not about what platform is best, they want exposure and reach. Mastodon's design makes it difficult to get both of those things, and that's why I prefer it. I want smaller, manageable groups. If I wanted to hear about "corncobbing from hte master" i'd use Bluesky.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Mastodon is a maze, or to put it differently, a mess. The one thing putting me off is needing to find an instance with the right collection of policies and rules, and I just can't be bothered.

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

Fuck, just sign up with Mastodon and get it over with, you putzes. What is your issue with free software?

What you are partially seeing here is the fact that there is friction to the very idea of Mastodon not being owned by a massive corporation. People have been trained so well to expect their social media to be run by a massive corporation that even if an alternative social network like Mastodon did onboarding perfectly people are still going to get tripped up and feel confused about Mastodon simply because a bunch of rich people don’t own it.

It is maddening and there isn't much we can do about it other than treat that friction as an opportunity to help radicalize people into being more open in a broader sense to taking back aspects of their life from the control of rich people/massive corps.

load more comments (4 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 36 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Bluesky:

  • Protocol is maintained by the same people who make the app and is developed on GitHub.
  • Instance that was the only one for such amount of time is hosted on Amazon AWS, with domain bought on Google Domains. Does not support IPv6.
  • Mobile app is not distributed on any of the open app stores, just Google Play and Apple AppStore.
  • Weak non-copyleft license not protecting the software from turning closed source and not making users sure they actually use open source version.

Wow, such decentralization.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

b07d7fdc2e43e15a

This is a fight only if you approach it as one.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Bluesky is trash and not even decentralized

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

It's federated just as Lemmy & Mastodon are...
Trash? Well I don't use it, so automatically...

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It is not federated at this time AFAIK

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

You really think someone wouldn't have their own server up .05s after it went public a week ago? You gravelly underestimate this community.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I’m just saying, it’s not federated today. And until I see that code released, it’s vaporware to me!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ok, I did not know there was this reference protocol implementation. Seems like it may not have all the features you need to run a whole service, but better than nothing!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Well obviously it's not everything because you're going to want to look at this, this, and this.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (4 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago (2 children)

And still we all know it's blue sky that will win, and we will be at it again in 5 years after its enshitification...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Maybe. Meta and Automattic (WordPress.com and Tumblr) are betting on ActivityPub over ATProtocol.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't understand getting mad about the bridge since it's already possible for any random person to read your public posts on mastodon. The difference is this developer is public about his work. There are probably already private projects that are scraping/indexing mastodon.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Yeah, I am in the same boat: I really don't understand what the outrage is all about. First off, because Mastodon is built on open standards which are 100% intended to be interoperable. Second because everyone can read a Mastodon feed that isn't private and the same goes for BlueSky accounts. Hell, BlueSky supports RSS for its feeds, so people with an RSS reader can follow BlueSky accounts without the user knowing about it.

Personally I do not trust the people behind BlueSky, but neither do I trust all the admins of Mastodon servers. There are a ton of questionable Mastodon servers out there, operated by people with very dubious motives, if not outright malicious intent.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Software developer Ryan Barrett found this out the hard way when he set out to connect the AT Protocol and ActivityPub with a bridge called Bridgy Fed.

Barrett planned to make the bridge opt-out by default, meaning that public Mastodon posts could show up on Bluesky without the author knowing, and vice versa.

In what one Bluesky user called “the funniest github issue page i have ever seen,” there was a heated debate over the opt-out default, which — like any good internet argument — included unfounded legal threats and devolved into bizarre personal attacks.

As a nonprofit, Mastodon’s appeal is that, unlike Instagram or Twitter or YouTube, it’s not controlled by a big corporation that needs to make its investors happy.

The ideological issues around Bridgy Fed are likely to continue stoking tension across these federated social networks as they increase their connection points.

“I am thinking and feeling deeply that however content moderation works on either side of the bridge, it needs to be at least as good as it is for native fediverse users, and vice versa,” Barrett said.


The original article contains 1,176 words, the summary contains 182 words. Saved 85%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Looks like NCD is literally leaking

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What if I tell you I don't give a fuck

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I wouldn't believe you because people who don't give a fuck dont feel the need to go into the comments and tell everyone they don't give a fuck.

load more comments (3 replies)
load more comments
view more: next ›