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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Whole west != Europe.

Nice try though

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (4 children)

lopq's original comment is correct for 'whole west' too. the second part is also true per capita. By the way europe also has a lot more people than united states, it's not irrelevant.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Firstly, US is not the only country with higher emissions per capita outside of europe. If you wanted to say a truthy but mostly irrelevant statement in this context you succeeded, but remember Canada Australia and New Zealand are also western. Note the grey area of South Korea & Japan.

Secondly I'm assuming you googled "population of Europe" and then falsely counted Russia and Turkey as western. Also there are grey areas of Belarus, Greece, Ukraine and other "European" counties without strong historic western culture.

With that in mind population difference is closer than you think, assuming you wanted to focus on that. Although that's not the point, getting sidetracked is all too common on this site.

I really cba to do the math on emissions, because I know neither of us has done accurately. If I was getting paid, maybe I would spend a few weeks on it, research properly heavily considering Chinese emissions which are spent making and shipping goods for the west. Paying off our emissions to other counties is a cop out and we all know it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

As it happens I've been calculating per capita emissions for 28 years, since COP2. You can see my model here.
No I certainly don't include Russia nor Turkey, although europe is more than EU. Korea is indeed notable. Regarding what they call 'consumption emissions', you can get such data from Global Carbon Project, on that I'm less an expert but my hunch is that industry emissions are dominated by heavy products like steel and cement for construction (made with help of gigatons of coal), rather than light consumer goods for export. Over-construction is the root of the problem, global emissions will peak (maybe now) as that bubble bursts.

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