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[–] [email protected] 73 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (17 children)

In a statement to the publication, Signal president Meredith Whittaker says, “Our privacy standards are extremely high and not only will we not lower them, we want to keep raising them. Currently, working with Facebook Messenger, iMessage, WhatsApp, or even a Matrix service would mean a deterioration of our data protection standards.”

Ugh, okay Meredith, let's pretend it's impossible to handle this with user experience that makes the user acknowledge their conversation with a WhatsApp user is not secure. Meanwhile if the only viable way for this conversion to occur is to have WhatsApp on both ends, the situation less secure. So according to Meredith, the choice is between less overall security or not having conversations with people who don't use Signal. That could makes sense for her salary but it surely is a net negative for Signal users some of which will have to install WhatsApp since they won't be able to afford not to have those conversations.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 8 months ago (7 children)

It's the same argument they used when ditching SMS-support ☹️

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (6 children)

I'm not nearly as salty about SMS because of the following differences from the WhatsApp scenario. Signal-SMS was only supported on Android, call it half of Signal users whereas a potential WhatsApp integration (or lack thereof) would affect nearly all Signal users. Then the Android users who have to reach others over SMS already have a built-in system app that does this, so they don't have to install third party app that exists to vacuum data. So the downgrade for the Android Signal user is in ease of use, not in overall security.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Except most people are not going to tolerate having a multiplicity of apps, and if people in your circle don't already use signal, they definitely won't now. Whereas previously, I was getting pretty decent traction from people slowly adding it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

In the modern age, it's getting easier to hard-line your messaging platform though.

If people are already used to having multiple messaging clients for multiple people, it's less of a jump to add one more.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

This has been my experience as well. In the past friends and family were more reluctant to break away from whatever their default communication app was. These days most people are already familiar with the idea of using one thing to text, another to "message", and often more than that. I've had great success converting people to more secure platforms now that they understand the process.

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