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[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (30 children)

I understand that it's supposed to be a shitty comic and not a balanced, reasonable take, but if you'd like to hear a German perspective anyways:

I'm not aware of any official representative lobbying other countries to end nuclear, except of course in nations that build their totally safe reactors near our border. I'm also not aware of us being awarded or recognized for our stance. Individual Germans, like me, will of course have been fed different propaganda than you and will argue accordingly.

No one here likes the coal generators. And with how much cheaper solar is these days, they're definitely on the way out. But we don't have a dictatorship anymore, luckily, so even obviously good paths will face pushback, like from entire regions whose jobs are in the coal industry.
We've just been able to get a consensus on abolishing nuclear much more quickly for multiple reasons:

  • Chernobyl directly affected us, including the people running our country. Russia also attacked nuclear reactors in the Ukraine, which certainly reminded people of Chernobyl.
  • At the start of the Ukraine war, it was unclear whether Russia might also launch attacks on us, including our nuclear reactors.
  • Russia also cut off our natural gas supply. We have practically no own Uranium deposits either, so reducing dependence on foreign nations was definitely in our interest, too.
[–] [email protected] 37 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Just a couple of sidenotes

At the start of the Ukraine war, it was unclear whether Russia might also launch attacks on us, including our nuclear reactors.

RU attacking Germany is as unlikely as RU shelling London, NY, or Tokyo

Russia also attacked nuclear reactors in the Ukraine, which certainly reminded people of Chernobyl.

I think the news was that someone shelled Zaporizhzhia "Russia and Ukraine blamed each other for shelling the Russian-controlled plant." Now, I'm not Hercule Poirot, but if RU controlled the plant at the time, wouldn't that make UKR the most likely culprit?

Russia also cut off our natural gas supply.

Surely Russia turning a tap is less pertinent than USA literally bombing the pipeline?

We have practically no own Uranium deposits either,

So where are you buying from the rest of your resources? Surely nuclear is more feasible than coal from a purely geopolitical/economic point of view? I guess good luck with the solar panels.

You seem to be a bit confused about the situation.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 9 months ago

It's a bit more likely. Eastern part of Germany was USSR back in the days. Germans share common fears with Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Poland, ... for good reason. They've had this happen before.

A decentralised network with many different production sites for solar, wind, water etc is in many ways less vulnerable than a network with fewer very centralised production facilities.

The goal is moving away from coal and nuclear, clearly, it's just taking too long. EU will start importing massive amounts of hydrogen overseas the next few decades, possibly also funding the green pduction itself in southern countries.

The only real german stupidity was investing in and relying on nordstream 2, because that was after Russia pulled the crimea and donbas.

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