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In the end, the KIA car company made its cars into subscription models, I really hate this because in the end the car we buy with our own money doesn't feel like it belongs to us. Should we finally buy an old school car ? so as not to be affected by this subscription models or is there a way to crack the software installed in it ?

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 9 months ago (14 children)

I own a Kia. I don't enjoy the subscription anymore than the next guy but I'm calling bullshit.

The only features behind a pay wall are the ones the app provides. The ones that require an always on internet connection and server infrastructure to maintain.

None of the in-car features are limited. The remote start on my key fob, seat heaters, onboard nav, all work fine without a subscription.

This isn't like the crap bmw was pulling with the seat heaters.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (12 children)

The cost to maintain the servers to send extremely small packets of data to instruct the car for the entire fleet of cars they sold could be less than $100/m.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (8 children)

Indeed; what we need is a jailbreak and a way to operate these systems on our own independent or third party / aftermarket resources. In a REAL competitive market, someone else could set up a server and offer to run these applications (or others!) for a different price. Not that I'm even particularly fond of capitalism myself nor how vulnerable it makes your car to turn it into an IOT device.

This WILL be hacked though, eventually.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The question is, who will venture deep enough and understand all the hurdles like the car self-bricking after even trying to peek at the SW or HW.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Someone figured out how to remotely take control of Chrysler vehicles with the Uconnect 8.4 systems a while back. So people are out there working on these things. Also, the more popular the car, the more likely someone is working on it.

To FCA's credit in that case, they listened to the researchers and implemented several fixes very quickly to address the problem. I wouldn't put it past many manufacturers to do the hands-over-the-ears "la la la" thing when faced with the same situation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Are you talking about people breaking in and stealing them? While I agree that was a stupid problem, it's quite a bit different than a remote hacker taking over your brakes while you drive.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Well, it's only a small step from there. Still, it's dumb and it's hard to trust the cars nowadays. Hell, some of them may be already infected and waiting for order 66.

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