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A biologist was shocked to find his name was mentioned several times in a scientific paper, which references papers that simply don't exist.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

Stupid question: Why can't journals just mandate an actual URL link to a study on the last page, or the exact issue something was printed in? Surely both of those would be easily confirmable, and both would be easy for a scientist using "real" sources to source (since they must have access to it themselves already).

Like, it feels silly to me that high school teachers require this sort of thing, yet scientific journals do not?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well that used to be a thing called a bibliography but it appears that these journals don't require such. Funny when even my old 7gr essays required those

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Of course they do. How do you think fake references were included if references were not needed?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Citing sources by name rather than providing full links/ISBN's/etc?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Ah! "Bibliography" is an ambiguous term.

As the linked article says, one measure that journals are starting to adopt is requiring DOI or PMID links for each reference. It ought to be standard anyway, it's much less work for reviewers to check the references if they're easy to find. Even if they exist, they often don't say what the authors cite them as saying. But journals don't pay anyone for checking these things so it often doesn't get done. Peer review needs to be paid for. For-profit journals need to die.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah that's fair. Since Covid I've noticed that a bunch of the more vocal opponents online liked to pick actual scientific articles and quote small sections way out of context in order to support their "view". It's like using scientific articles for anti-science. That pull that shit repeatedly and piss people off, then report anyone who gets a bit to loud in their response. Seems a whole playbook these days

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