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[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago (26 children)

The established convenience of Apple Pay is unlikely to take much of a hit from would-be competitors.

Disagree. Apple Pay charges much higher rates than competing payment processors. It benefits everyone except Apple to make the change. It is equally convenient to use a different app w/ NFC.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Higher rates? Do customers pay more for using Apple Pay than any other solution where you are from?

I know shops pay a fee, but never heard it to be on the customer to pay.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It's common in Australia to tell customers that cc card fees are added to the bill. Not everywhere but also not surprise.

Your country + my country is a small share of global market, unless you're in China.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The key thing though is that Apple Pay is still just a credit or debit card. There’s no extra fee for the merchant or customer. It costs the same to process as using the physical card.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

(OP commenter here again) This is correct.

Apple Pay charge a flat rate (around 0.1 to 0.2%) taken from the interchange fee. This is charged to the issuer specifically, i.e. the bank that issued the payment card.

The card network (visa, MasterCard, etc. also charge a flat fee to the issue for each transaction to the issuer, similarly to Apple Pay.

Issuers generally don't increase merchant fees to account for Apple's fee because it is highly negligible.

(As for merchants, they may charge you the entire interchange fee on top of your bill, but the Apple Pay part is still negligible.)

Take an example of a $100 purchase: interchange fee is around $2, of which Apple takes 0.15%, or 0.3¢. Its very, very low because Apple aims for high volume, and doesn't want merchants or issuers to discourage use (think "WE DONT TAKE AMEX" signs).

That means they get high volumes of transactions, likely in the range of millions an hour worldwide, and so they still make money hand over fist even at this extremely low rate.

(Apologies if you already know this stuff, thought I'd share anyway as it's my area of work!)

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