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[–] [email protected] 183 points 11 months ago (33 children)

Honestly, just take a basic normal car, and replace its engine with an electric one. No on screen entertainment, no cameras, no AI bull shit, no self driving. Just as basic as it gets.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (8 children)

The problem is you can’t efficiently electrify a vehicle designed for fossil fuels. The requirements differ too much.

Actually EV conversions were common before we got intentionally designed EVs and the original Tesla roadster was built on a standard Lotus body and frame, but luckily we’re beyond that now.

You can still choose to electrify a vehicle now but you get poor performance and range, unbalanced handling, and pay way too much for a mediocre vehicle. It’s bot worth it

[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago (7 children)

They mean at the design/manufacturing level, not retrofitting.

They mean just creat a simple ev car with only the needed designs to house the battery, controller and electric motor(s).

They mean discard all ideas of "futuristic" interiors, techs, or anything. Just build a modest car with an electric powerplant and battery storage. Then stop.

Fire any designer who tells you AI could improve the product.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Fire any designer who tells you AI could improve the product.

That would be pretty dumb. It's entirely possible to use AI in the design and engineering phase without AI being in the product that's delivered to the customer. It's also entirely possible for AI to be used in areas like crash mitigation, improving the handling in poor road conditions, or optimizing charging speed to improve battery life. Those uses of AI are largely invisible but offer a tangible improvement to the vehicle without being what anyone would consider luxurious. Choosing to ignore a design option because it sounds like something trendy is a great way to design a product that's a worse value for the money.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

AI in the vehicle, he means. Obviously ML models are useful for crash data, don't be a pedant.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Sir, this is the internet.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I mean, I interpreted it the way they seem to have as well. Not being a pedant, I literally just read it different.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

OP could have been more clear, but it's not unusual for people to take the worst possible interpretation in order to debate something no one was arguing.

What this entire thread is about is just giving us a 2005-2010 era car that's electric. An audio deck with B/T only. No wifi, no Internet connectivity to the manufacturer, all the Laas nonsense with the updates and shit.

Just a vehicle that happens to be electric, not a computer on wheels.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Ai is unnecessary in all those topics. Classical sensing, detection/ response algos are all sufficient.

An LLM or Siri is useless, which is what I'm saying to discard

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