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[–] [email protected] 117 points 1 year ago (25 children)

Who the hell thinks beta software is appropriate for real-world applications in something as dangerous as vehicle control at highway speeds?

I've come to believe that all Teslas should be recalled until they get their act together. They're getting people hurt and killed by field testing their experiments on roadways that we paid for.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 year ago (8 children)

More importantly, hold musk responsible for the mayhem. They call it "full self driving" when it has not qualified to be called that.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I agree. However, I also acknowledge that with the US's legal fiction that "Corporations are people," it's unlikely that any CEO will ever be held personally responsible for anything except failing to make enough profit for greedy moneygrubbers.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Corporate death penalty. Revoke their corporate charter. No more company.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

While I personally agree, under US shareholder-primacy laws, this would likely be impossible in the current era.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's not true. Corporations can't commit crimes because they are just legal entities. People commit crimes.

Your main issue is that many things that you think are crimes (dumping waste, not paying employees, stiffing suppliers, accidents) are not crimes. They are civil or regulatory issues. If you care, you should pick one and lobby your state to make it a crime.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Corporations can’t commit crimes because they are just legal entities.

The US Supreme Court begs to differ:

The list goes on.

[M]any things that you think are crimes (dumping waste, not paying employees, stiffing suppliers, accidents) are not crimes.

Again, the US federal and state governments would like a word. There's not a locale in the country that considers theft and intentional illegal pollution not to be criminal acts with fines and, for natural person, imprisonment as punishments. However, you are correct that accidents are generally not considered crimes, although penalties may still apply if they were the result of carelessness or neglect.

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