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Second SpaceX Starship launch ends with explosion. What happens next?
(www.nationalgeographic.com)
this post was submitted on 18 Nov 2023
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In 30-40 more years maybe SpaceX will make progress that isn't just upgrade existing rockets.
I mean... They invented reusable rockets.
Edit: they invented the first reusable liquid-fueled rockets and the first rockets that can autonomously land themselves. NASA used reusable solid rocket boosters on the space shuttle that would deploy parachutes and land in the ocean. Getting a solid rocket booster back into a reusable state seems like a lot of work to me.
They absolutely didn't invent reusable rockets.
Who outside of TinTin comics has done a reusable rockets other than SpaceX?
I mean, just basic research would answer this for you. But I'll start you off with an easy one. The SRB on shuttle launches was reusable. Now go forth and look up rocket history.
It depends how you define your terms. The parts were disassembled, cleaned, inspected, and reassembled. That's not what most people think of as reusable, more like refurbishable. And anyway, they didn't save any cost or time doing that vs building new ones, hence why SLS is using them as single use.
It doesn't depend on how I define my terms. It was reused. You literally just fucking said it was reused. What you just described is the exact definition of what everyone considers reused. This is such a stupid conversation to have, and only the SpaceX sense are the ones that ever want to have it.
Also, because you don't seem to know anything about anything, what you described is exactly what SpaceX does. How the fuck did you get this so wrong?
SpaceX did all the inspections for a falcon 9 booster in 9 days. No way they did a full rebuild in that time.
https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-falcon-9-new-booster-turnaround-record-21-days/
Yeeeah, so, you didn't read your own link I guess? Because it says, on a Tesla simp blog, that it was a refurbishment. Not an inspection.
Here's a nice write-up from NASA on what the SRB refurb process was. Feel free to read it.
https://llis.nasa.gov/lesson/836
Again, I'm not trying to say these words have a single defined meaning. I'm saying that SpaceX's reusable rockets are in a different category compared to SRBs. Call those reusable and refurbishable if you like, or call them anything else. I just use the reusable refurbishable terminology because that's what everyday astronaut uses.
Do you know the turn around time on an srb? I couldn't find it in your doc or in the wiki.
The only difference is propulsive landing. You're obviously attempting to backpedal here, and it's not working. SpaceX also refurbishes their units, you're just bullshitting at this point. It's painfully transparent.
NASA stopped refurbishing their SRBs because it costs more to do so. SpaceX is able to drastically lower it's launch costs because of the immense savings they can realize by a quick turnaround for reuse. That's the difference.
Russia has drastically lower launch costs than SpaceX. Justify it now.
Mind giving your source? I found 2.5k/kg for falcon 9 vs 5k/kg for soyuz. The shtil is as far as I can tell military surplus and is now retired, so it's costs aren't really reflective of long term usage.
https://georgetownsecuritystudiesreview.org/2023/04/20/t-minus-6-seconds-starship-and-humanitys-next-major-step-into-space/
https://marspedia.org/Financial_effort_estimation
Sure, fishing a burning bucket out of the ocean is the same as an actual rocket that lands by itself and just needs to be refueled.
If you tried just a little harder, he'll notice you.
Have you not noticed how gross you feel when you talk that way?
Not gross at all, in fact. Feels great. Keep trying, and I bet he mentions you in his next racist tweet. ...but for the "good" reasons.
The shuttle SRB's were really only reusable in the same sense that the engine from a wrecked car can be removed, stripped to a bare block, bored out, rebuilt, and placed into a new car is reusable. Hard to say exactly how long it took to turn around SRB segments, but just the rail transport between Utah and Florida was 12 days each way. SpaceX has turned around Falcon 9 boosters in under a month.
And even with all of that, the most reused reusable segments barely flew a dozen times. There is one Falcon 9 first stage that has now flown 18 times.
You're not wrong about parts having been reused in the past but the scale of what has been done before really doesn't compare to what SpaceX does now.
Looks like you also need to review the publicly available NASA documentation for refurbishment.