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Intel doesn’t think that Arm CPUs will make a dent in the laptop market::"They've been relegated to pretty insignificant roles in the PC business."

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (15 children)

Will Intel exist in 2026? NVIDIA and AMD are making ARM chips for 2025, China is investing heavily in RISC-V, and AMD already released a CPU that rivals Apple's M2 which is x86. Who knows how things will turn out once they release an ARM chip.

Things are shaping up to become an NVIDIA vs AMD arms race with some Chinese company becoming a dark horse and announcing a RISC-V chip in 2-3 years.

There was a company that announced a major technological advancement in chip fabrication in the US, but I can't remember who or what it was. My maggot brain thinks something with light-based chips or something? I dunno... that might also be something to look out for

Edit: it was intel: Intel Demos 8-Core, 528-Thread PIUMA Chip with 1 TB/s Silicon Photonics

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (13 children)

It will take at least another 10 years to get a majority of the market off of x86 with the 20+ years of legacy software bound to it. Not to mention all of the current gen x86 CPUs that will still be usable 10 years from now.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I think it's safe to say Apple has proved that wrong three times.
When they switched from Motorola to Power, then from Power to Intel, and latest from Intel to Arm.
If necessary software will be quickly modified, or it will run well enough on compatibility layers.

The switch can happen very fast for new hardware. The old systems may stay around for a while, but the previous CPU architecture can be fazed out very quickly in new systems. Apple has proven that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Apples advantage is that it controls the whole stack from silicon to App Store. That’s a problem for all sorts of reasons, but here they can use that power to implement the shift in a way that minimally impact the users.

Keep in mind that M1 it’s not just an ARM CPU. It’s an ARM CPU that has specially designed features that make Intel compatibility fast. Rosetta 2 is a marvel of technology, but it would run like crap on anything that does not have Intel memory model emulation in hardware.

If you are in a position where

  1. Old binaries have to keep running indefinitely (ie the entire windows market) and
  2. You have to buy regular ARM chips from a regular supplier without special x86 emulation support features

things are looking quite a bit less rosy for you.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

from silicon to App Store.

Not ther case from Motorola to Power or Power to X86. Very similar software infrastructure to what PC's have, with lots and lots of 3rd party software vendors.

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