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Honda says making cheap electric vehicles is too hard, ends deal with GM::The platform was to use GM's Ultium batteries.

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[–] [email protected] 144 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (77 children)

So, like all the others, while China will produce cheap eCars. Look, I don't want to predict the future, but if I only have 20-30k for a new car, I simply physically can't buy a 60k SUV. You can't jump into a saturated market of other car companies, who almost all seam to want only expensive eCars and expect a good outcome. There's only so much money in the pockets of people and only so much people are willing to pay for a used eCar, if it needs expensive battery replacement soon. Not going to happen. Build cheaper cars or fail.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I hope to see more cheap cars by 2025 when VW starts doing their id1 and id2. The rest of the manufacturers need to follow suit or lose out of the massive market for mini and micros.

Personally I did get a used EV. It had driven less than 200km in total, but I got it at about 70% of the normal price. The battery is fine. The used market isn't just for worn out cars. People sell almost new cars for a variety of reasons, so it's worth looking at the used market already. The batteries in modern cars are generally better than their reputation. I wouldn't want to get a 7-10 year old EV, but anything newer is just fine.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Used / 200km

Bwahahaha that's not used. That's new. Talk to us again when you pick up a car with 50 000 on it.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean, that's my point. The used market isn't all beater cars. There are almost new EVs available on the used market. 3 years ago they didn't exist at all. The used market back then only had EVs with poor batteries, but these days you can find new cars in the used market with new batteries, but still at a massive price discount only for being used slightly.

Many people still have the common idea that used EVs are risky, so the prices drop a lot from very little use. Also because the technology in new cars evolves very quickly, so you can get last years models considerably cheaper.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I picked up a used EV with about 20,000 miles on it and it still felt like new.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

My EV has almost 70,000 miles on it, and it drives like it's new. The seats and the suspension aren't quite there though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My current (ice) vehicle I got with about that and it also was practically new. Only problem was a chip in the windshield that I had to get replaced when it grew into a large crack, and we honestly aren't certain if that even predated our purchasing the vehicle

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