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signal requires a phone number to sign up. a phone number could be used to trace your signal account back to you. so why do people, especially privacy enthusiasts and experts (like edward snowden), still use it and endorse it when it lacks anonymity in that sense? i get that people could use a voip number or something to sign up, but still.

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[–] [email protected] 100 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Privacy and anonymity have some overlap, but are ultimately two different things. Signal focuses on privacy.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I don't undestand this comment, could you please elaborate?

The way I way I see it, privacy without anonymity only works if you can trust a service provider. Since there are no trustworthy providers, especially since legislation can cancel any assurances anyone could give you, anonymity becomes the only way to ensure privacy, making it virtually synonymous.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You know I live in that house across the street, but my blinds are closed and I don't let you in. That's privacy, despite your knowledge.

There's a glass house across town. You drive by, but you don't know who lives there, who owns it, or why they insist on walking around naked. Anonymous, albeit open.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Also while it seems ideal to have both (don't know who lives there or what they're up to), it's much harder to implement in a way that there aren't ethical/legal headaches.

It can also be easier from the usability side, like if you want to get in touch with your friend and you know where they are living today.

I'd like to have the option to not use a number, and it would help those that live under authoritarian regimes, but I don't think I'll go through the trouble of removing mine once they implement it

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As far as messangers go, there are plenty which don't require a phone numer, like Threema.

So for this instance, it is pretty easy to have both

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