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Like the title states looking for E2EE apps (Android and iOS) without going into much details or needs to be robust enough and easy to use for anyone and stable for operations that are susceptible to constant electronic warfare. I did some research and thought about replacing Signal with Molly and wondering if it will still work if Signal leaves the EU, but am also worried about its updates to patch vulnerabilities in a timely manner. I appreciate the help I am a “Jack of all trades and master of none” when it comes to these types of programs, but am also the go to currently in my unit since I am somewhat knowledgeable about exploits and attacks that can compromise systems would be great if there was an desktop as well (like Signal) and would also be nice if it was FOSS and auditable ( I know that’s kind of redundant ) I know it’s a tall order to ask but figured I would try. I really appreciate the help so much and hope I did things by the rules here and don’t get flamed if this has already been covered ( I searched but my skills with searching the fediverse is low

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (6 children)

XMPP or SimpleX. It's easy to block signal, given they require a phone number and the servers are centralized. But it's quite hard, potentially impossible, to block the federated XMPP network or the decentralized relay structure of SimpleX

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You need to add encryption on top with OTR plugins or equivalent

Or use Matrix where it's on by default

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i would argue that matrix is not decentralized enough (almost everybody is on matrix.org)

also all popular XMPP clients (conversations, gajim etc.) supports OMEMO and OpenPGP/PGP out of the box

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also Matrix servers are way more resource-intensive than XMPP ones. Synapse one is probably not even possible to run on my low-spec VPS, idk about Dendrite or Conduit. And from what I've heard, the server is harder to manage.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

thats actualy one of the reasons i stopped using matrix - synapse kept crashing my server lol

but i should also mention that XMPP servers have less documentation/tutorials, i spent an entire week just to get prosody to work as i wanted it to

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

In my experience prosody is pretty easy to set up, but there’s also Snikket now which is built on prosody and hopefully makes setup even easier (but I haven’t used it).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Use a good XMPP client like dino/siskin/conversations and OMEMO just works. XMPP client OMEMO support status.

You can't argue "not all XMPP clients support e2ee" without arguing the same for matrix -- not all matrix clients support e2ee.

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