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[–] [email protected] 126 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Here is how platforms die: first, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die.

I call this enshittification, and it is a seemingly inevitable consequence arising from the combination of the ease of changing how a platform allocates value, combined with the nature of a "two sided market," where a platform sits between buyers and sellers, holding each hostage to the other, raking off an ever-larger share of the value that passes between them.

From https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Do you think maybe it'll be different with a federated and thus less centralized platform like Lemmy? Or do you think it will just delay this process? Cause right now lemmy and kbin seem to be pretty good.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In fediverse, the data is already public. You'll just need to run an instance, start federating and the data will flow directly into your instance. Whether someone will somehow find a way to extract profit from this system is remain to be seen.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Whether someone will somehow find a way to extract profit from this system is remain to be seen.

I think it's inevitable that someone will find a way to profit, even if it's just scraping the data for training LLMs, or for something like those shitty sites that just duplicate GitHub issues.

The question of enshittification isn't whether someone can find a way to profit, it's whether someone can find a way to change the platform to increase their profit.

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