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China’s Homegrown EUV Machines Rumored for Q3 Trial Production, Spelling Trouble for ASML
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Feels like we have news like that every quarter but not a lot of actual change. Does any foundry outside of China, e.g. TSMC, buying or even getting any partnership to test them? Without subsidies? What's the yield relative to alternatives?
It does beg for a DeepSeek moment for hardware, namely actual competition stemmed from necessity, but again so far that race has been a lot of claims.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/02/china-leading-us-in-technology-race-in-all-but-a-few-fields-thinktank-finds What do you think the logical outcome is? China has made phenomenal progress and all the bans and geopolitically motivated sabotage have only accelerated it.
They have plenty results in this field not 'claims'. I don't see how you can be dismissive of this.
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I've heard (not recently) that they're far ahead in AI. I hope I don't see war with them in my lifetime. It would be disastrous for the world.
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Well you have Deepseek to prove it.
And while the US is turning their attention to them, harrassing and taunting them they can not start a war with them. They will lose as it is.
And China will only get stronger and widen the gap in tech and military advances. They have also increased their military expenses to 5% which is massive.
Same for Russia.
The US are a dying empire, losing parts of the global cake to both of them.
They play dangerous games and would welcome Europe and Russia or Taiwan get into an armed conflict that only benefits them.
I hope our vasal leaders realise that before it's too late.
The US doesn't have friends, only interests.
Good news is that US has now outsourced so many essential industries to China that they might not be physically capable of going to war.
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It'll take at least a decade to rebuild what they've lost in terms of industrial capacity, in my opinion. And then they have to find skilled workers. I'm not so sure that this generation or the next, want to work in factories, at least in North America.
Indeed, most people don't realize what a monumental challenge it is to reindustrialize an economy.
I let you read the comments from their source since you didn't actually bother reading mine.
Edit: people can check my Lemmy history on the topic, I ask the same thing here every few months. Anyway also the moment to suggest Chips War (even though, as always, outdated) as a good book IMHO on the geopolitics of chips manufacturing.
1 you didn't provide any sources. 2 your book suggestion leads me to repeat my comment: 'geopolitically motivated'.
(With mass murderer Dick Cheney on the board of directors)
I have a slight feeling he may not be totally objective.