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Unironically awesome. You can debate if it hurts the ability to contribute to a project, but folks should be allowed to express themselves in the language they choose & not be forced into ASCII or English. Where I live, English & Romantic languages are not the norm & there are few programmers since English is seen as a perquisite which is a massive loss for accessibility.
The hotter take: languages like APL, BQN, & Uiua had it right building on symbols (like we did in math class) for abstract ideas & operations inside the language, where you can choose to name the variables whatever makes sense to you & your audience.
Yeah. Tbh, I always wondered why programming languages weren't translated.
I know CS is all about english, but at least the default builtin functions of programming languages could get translated (as well as APIs that care about themselves).
Like, I can't say I don't like it this way (since I'm a native english speaker), but I still wonder what if you could translate code.
Variables could cause problems (more work with translation or hard to understand if not translated). But still - programming languages have no declentions and syntax is simpler so it shouldn't even compare to "real" languages with regards to difficulty of implementation.
I'm German, and I would not want that. German grammar works differently in a way that makes programming a lot more awkward for some reason. Things like, ".forEach" would technically need three different spellings depending on the grammatical gender of the type of element that's in the collection it's called on. Of course you could just go with neuter and say it refers to the "items" in the collection, but that's just one of lots of small pieces of awkwardness that get stacked on top of each other when you try to translate languages and APIs. I really appreciate how much more straightforward that works with English.
Programs aren’t written by a single team of developers that speak the same language. You’d be calling a library by a Hungarian with additions from an Indian in a framework developed by Germans based on original work by Mexicans.
If no-one were forcing all of them to use English by only allowing English keywords, they’d name their variables and functions in their local language and cause mayhem to readability.
[Edit:] Even with all keywords being forced to English, there’s often half-localized code.
I can’t find the source right now, but I strongly believe that Steve McConnell has a section in one of his books where he quotes a function commented in French and asks, “Can you tell the pitfall the author is warning you about? It’s something about a NullPointerException”. McConnell then advises against local languages even in comments
Excel functions are translated. This leads to being pretty much locked out of any support beyond documentation if your system language isn't English.