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I've been inspecting this topic quite a lot and I'm a little confused now. So, we have reasons not to use Signal, reasons not to use Matrix, there were also some claims about Session being a fraught. Briar is mostly activists related (not very suitable for daily use), XMPP lacks good clients and suffers from fragmentation of protocol standards implementation, SimpleX is too feature-incomplete (no UnifiedPush support, big battery drain on Android, very decent desktop client without any message sync). I can't say a lot about Threema or Wire, as I'm not very familiar with them.

So, my question is — is there any good private messenger at all? What do you think is the most acceptable option?

EDIT: In addition to my post:

All messengers have their flaws, I'm well aware of that. I was interested in hearing users' opinions regarding these shortcomings, not in finding the perfect messenger. I may have worded my thoughts incorrectly, sorry for that.

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[–] [email protected] 101 points 1 month ago (13 children)

That article in Signal is bogus. It is entirely based on speculation from how funding comes in, and also either ignores, or misunderstands how Signal fundamentally works.

The EFF recommends Signal, and it's one of the most secure ways to communicate.

https://ssd.eff.org/module/how-to-use-signal

You can make your own decisions, but if you just grab any random arguments, you'll find a reason to doubt everything.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Lemmy has some sort of slander campaign going against Signal. Can't tell if it's just misinformed idiots or a paid shill smear campaign being run here (likely the former, Lemmy is too small for companies to give a shit about.) It's really annoying. Same with Mozilla and Firefox. Not sure Lemmy likes anything?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Give me your phone number so I can chat with you on signal about this.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Signal has usernames (must be enabled) and you can have your phone number hidden from public view & prevent it from being used to search up your acc

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That got added recently, but you still need a phone number to sign up. A phone number is tied to your identity, meaning that signal's database has the names and addresses of everyone who uses it. And since signal is US-based, its subject to US national security letters, meaning its illegal for signal to tell anyone that the US government has requested information about who they're talking to.

Under the Obama administration, an average of 60 NSLs were issued every single day.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's not too difficult to establish a Signal account from a burner number from a prepaid sim card. I currently have a Signal account tied to a sim not in my name. Getting a burner with cash is an option. Or, if you're lucky enough to live near a payphone and can gain access to the number, you can activate a signal with a phone call.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There is no reason to do any of that. No one forced signal to use phone numbers as their primary identifier, and plenty of privacy oriented chat programs don't require that.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

I'm sot trusting anything from signal themselves, just like I wouldn't trust anything apple, microsoft, google, or any other US-based company with centralized services says about themselves.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Let me message you without having an Android or iOS primary device then. Can’t do it.

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