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[–] [email protected] 77 points 1 day ago (27 children)

I'm surprised so many people think this is a good argument. TikTok is a social media platform. Temu is an online marketplace. The potential to cause disruption within US society is completely different.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 day ago (24 children)

Legally it is a very good argument. A law targeting a single company in name or effect is literally unconstitutional. It's called a "Bill of Attainder".

The counter argument is indicting Facebook because they never stopped selling information directly to the CCP.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (12 children)

A US Citizen might be protected by Article 1 Section 9, but courts have adopted a three-part test to determine if a law functions as a bill of attainder:

  1. The law inflicts punishment.
  2. The law targets specific named or identifiable individuals or groups.
  3. Those individuals or groups would otherwise have judicial protections.

And unfortunately for the CCP they fail #3 unless the Chinese owners divest and all Chinese centralization for the company gets shut down.

Also, the tiktok ban was passed alongside a bill outlawing sale of data to China, Iran, Russia, etc. So if FB is still selling to China it is also illegal.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You mean the CCP is not an "individual or group"?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

#3. Number 3. The third part. THREE. Learn to read. All three are required conditions.

The parent company don't have judicial protections. They're based in China and are state owned and operated. The US-Based subsidiary isn't being punished, they're explicitly allowed to operate if the parent company divests, but are choosing to shut down instead.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

The parent company don’t have judicial protections.

But the subsidiary does.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

And the subsidiary has explicit permission to continue operating if the parent company divests.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

But explicit prohibition on continued operation if they don't. ByteDance is not affected outside of the US. Only US employees are being threatened.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 40 minutes ago

Only US employees are being threatened.

Lmao, that's quite the stretch. The way I see it, US employees AND citizens would be protected from foreign spyware.

if the XI's China could stop trying to interfere with the world beyond its border they could also probably stop themselves from being targeted by legislature aimed at protecting citizens of countries outside China.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

ByteDance employees chose to work for a Chinese PsyOp parent company who refuses to sell ByteDance. If anything, those employees are suffering because the CCP were given too many rights and protections for owning a business in the USA.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

So you're agreeing this is a Bill of Attainder limited to a single group of American citizens?

Thanks.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 hours ago

The single group of American Citizens are facing no repercussions from the US Government. They're being thrown under the bus by the Chinese.

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