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A market agency claiming they do something of the sort isn’t proof that conversations are being monitored en masse. Security researchers can and probably have tested for this and found no clear, verifiable evidence, otherwise we would have known. Also, this stuff can be blocked at the OS level and I find it hard to imagine (esp. without solid proof) that Google or Apple would jeopardize their reputations to this extent by enabling such unauthorized listening in on users’ conversations.
Of course it’s good to keep watching this space but we shouldn’t jump to conclusions.
Facebook snooped on users’ Snapchat traffic in secret project, documents reveal
Nothing to do with your microphone.
Yes. Just another malicious thing facebook does. Surely, they are totally trustworthy in all other regards. /s
This has nothing to do with trust and everything to do with facts and evidence.
The evidence is: among other things, facebook has repeatedly violated user's privacy. It would be no surprise if they would also monitor conversations via the microphone. Sure, currently there seems to be no evidence for that. But I wouldn't be so naive to just trust them on that.
This is not evidence that they're using your microphone, and you know it's not.
Honestly, I would be very surprised. Not that they would, but that they were able to. And that they were able to without ever being caught, somehow bypassing Google and Apple's mic usage notifications.
I don't know why you keep coming back to trust. I've already addressed this. No one is suggesting that you should trust them. You shouldn't trust them. And you shouldn't use their services. That's not the point.
I didn't claim it to be evidence for that.
Unless some form of hardware notification is hardwired into the device, which indicates cam or mic usage, I'm on the rather paranoid side regarding software notifications. Software is usually much easier to break. I'm leaning a lot out of the window now, as I don't know how secure those notifications are implemented. However, even then there is reason for concern, given that facebook had / has questionable deals with device manufacturers. If they were willing to share personal data with device manufacturers, there is reason to suspect this went or can go the other way around as well.
It is mine. Even though there is no evidence for a surveillance using device microphones itself yet and it could be surprising if they were able to, given the history of facebook, they participated in a lot of rather surprising shit.
...what exactly were you providing evidence for when you said "the evidence is"?
Yes, I see that.
Okay well you could have been more clear, and I won't disagree with you on that. That's not the topic of discussion in this thread.
People have been saying this for decades with no evidence.