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[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Israeli company legally allowed to produce and sell digital spycraft, only to verified western nations, has clients of dodgy and murderous origin. News at 11.

I wonder if Jamal Khashoggi would still have been brutally hacksawed into individual bits in an embassy if not for Pegasus.

Call me crazy but I have my doubts.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

Jamal Khashoggi didn't have Pegasus on his phone though? and his wife didn't have it until after the murder. The assassination was an old school plot to lure him to a location where the Saudi team had diplomatic immunity I thought.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/18/nso-spyware-used-to-target-family-of-jamal-khashoggi-leaked-data-shows-saudis-pegasus

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

While I appreciate the correction, I'm not sure it changes much when they hacked and spied on those closest to him to find out the information they needed, rather than hacking him directly. I wonder if they couldn't hack him, did and wiped the infection once he showed up to the embassy, or if he was just that careful and constantly changed or didn't use smartphones or give his number out.

It's like your crazy paranoid neighbor who heard you talking shit about him once doesn't want to directly hack your Ring cam so they know when you're coming and going everyday, instead they just hack the rest of the neighbors so they know when you're coming and going everyday. Is there a meaningful difference?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

THank you; i appreciated this.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Thank I noproblem

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm guessing he booked the appointment at the embassy though, so it's not really about the technology used, as that information could have been used to trap and kill him for as long as embassies have been about?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

Out of curiosity I asked ChatGPT for more background. This is the result.

Jamal Khashoggi, a Saudi Arabian journalist and critic of the Saudi government, was lured to the Saudi consulate in Istanbul, Turkey, on October 2, 2018. He had gone there to obtain documents related to his upcoming marriage. However, once inside the consulate, he was brutally murdered by a team of Saudi agents.

The details of how he was lured vary, but it is believed that Saudi officials, including the Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, were involved in orchestrating his murder. Khashoggi's murder sparked international outrage and led to a significant diplomatic crisis.

Consequences for the murder have been complex. Some individuals directly involved in the killing were put on trial in Saudi Arabia, and several were convicted, though the trials lacked transparency and were widely criticized. Internationally, there were sanctions and travel bans imposed on Saudi officials, but the extent of the consequences remained a subject of debate. The U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) reportedly concluded that Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered the assassination, but he has denied any involvement.

The Khashoggi case has had lasting implications for Saudi Arabia's international reputation and its relationship with other countries, particularly the United States. It has raised questions about human rights, press freedom, and the role of the Saudi government in suppressing dissent.

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