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Some of the LinkedIn Responses are direct and on-point, and also hilariously/depressingly based depending on how you look at it:

EDIT: In hindsight, I think I should've looked into posting this in a different community.. It's closer to a silly "innovation".. soo.. is this considered FUD? I also don't support smoking or vaping, especially among kids. Original title had "privacy-violating" before the "solution".

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 2 months ago (63 children)

How is this invading someone's privacy? All it's doing is detecting if children are smoking in a room or space at school and then putting an alert up about the detection on a screen.

They have zero right to privately smoke at school, or anywhere for that matter, smoking is illegal for children and not something to be taken lightly.

Similarly, adults have no right to privately smoke whilst in the workplace in the bathroom or other non-smoking designated areas. This is also illegal and not to be taken lightly.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 months ago (19 children)

How is this invading someone's privacy?

So you think they will not use this to try to identify the vaping student?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago (4 children)

So you think we should all be allowed to smoke in non-smoking places? The school already has all info on all it's kids, what else "private" is being revealed here? If you break the rules of the establishment where you are, they'll try to identify and ban you, because that's how private property and bylaws work. School is no different. If you break the rules you face the consequences.

Is this logical and useful? No. Does it help kids become better and learn? No. Will it actually reduce vaping? No, it's a leaderboard now.

But is it invading privacy? Also no. It is enforcing nonsensical draconic rules, but not revealing any information that wouldn't be already known or demanded by the institution in that situation.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Privacy isn't restricted to just your data on file. You'd expect some sort of privacy in bathrooms (I assume that's where these would be installed). It can also set a precedent. Maybe they start tracking cellphone use "ensure students are paying attention". Maybe they start tracking how often students are using the restroom, especially female students to gather data on their cycles (incredibly plausible depending on the state). Maybe they track their exact movements via school wifi. Maybe they give them laptops to spy on them at home. None of these obviously equate to one another but where does the school draw the line? Rather not have this shit in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You'd expect some sort of privacy in bathrooms

That is the whole point of this mess. The alternative is a person or camera INSIDE the bathroom at all times. The camera would be so much cheaper to deploy...but privavcy laws, rightfully, say no.

With the sensor all it does is say "smoke/vape detected", from there an adult can check the hall cam to see who went in or just go right in to catch the kid.

I assume with the monitor, it makes it easy for a teacher sitting outside the bathroom and can see the popup (in some schools they already have them to check passes and listen for screeming)

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