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The Best Password Managers in 2023 (blog.thenewoil.org)
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I thought I made it clear? I was on the Proton Mail Essentials ($9.55) and was required to go to Proton Business ($15) to unlock Proton Pass Plus.

An over $5 increase.

But once again, I don’t see a need to slander and lie about a company that by all accounts is trying to actually do something about the privacy nightmare that the internet has become.

Please tell me where I lied? Thanks.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As far as I can tell there is no mail essentials plan that costs $9.55 (talking USD/EUR/CHF which is all I can see). The absolute worst case scenario is $7.99/month per month (Business being $12.99). Furthermore, considering you are on the essentials plan it would seem like you'd save way more money using the individual plan (or family plan unless you have a large number of employees/users?). I suppose it's possible you are on some grandfathered plan that is more expensive because you have more custom domains (I seem to maybe remember that being possible back in the day?). But then I think that also would have applied to the individual plan, so again I'm not quite sure why you are on a business plan when all of your comments seem to imply you're an individual?

And honestly the crux of the issue is you made poor-faith arguments from the very start. You called them a money grubbing company and tried to pass yourself off as a regular user who's paying all this money and then having to get charged more. When in fact, for 99% of users your situation isn't applicable at all; and in fact you are on a weird, old, business plan (to which you'd probably save money switching to a new business regular plan [for $12.99 - $9.99] which supports up to 10 custom email domains + all premium proton services).

And looking into proton pass, it seems like the majority of the cost is because of the email alias service that comes with it. Bitwarden doesn't in fact provide that (though they do support integration of it) and a quick look at other providers that only provide custom emails it shows similar monthly fees (still less than proton pass to be fair).

So to me, it seems like a bit of unwarranted slander and lies (though I suppose, again, you could be on an old grandfathered plan; but it still doesn't explain how the "next step up" is $15) because of some beef you have against them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As far as I can tell there is no mail essentials plan that costs $9.55 (talking USD/EUR/CHF which is all I can see).

Here's when you learn other countries exist. I am Canadian. I don't talk in USD, EUR, or CHF. I talk in CAD. My payment provider doesn't tell me I paid "X USD", it tells me I paid "X CAD".

I suppose it’s possible you are on some grandfathered plan that is more expensive because you have more custom domains (I seem to maybe remember that being possible back in the day?).

I am not, but you're correct about Proton offering to add more custom domains without having to change to a whole new tier. Another perfect example of how they nickel and dime. They realized they could squeeze more money by forcing people who need more than 3 custom domains to upgrade to a higher tier, than just to pay for the few extra domains.

You called them a money grubbing company and tried to pass yourself off as a regular user who’s paying all this money and then having to get charged more.

Again, they are money grubbing, because they removed the ability to customize your plan, and force tier changes.

When in fact, for 99% of users your situation isn’t applicable at all; and in fact you are on a weird, old, business plan (to which you’d probably save money switching to a new business regular plan [for $12.99 - $9.99] which supports up to 10 custom email domains + all premium proton services).

I am NOT on an old business plan. I am on THE business plan for $15. Again, not everyone uses USD, EUR, or CHF.

$12.99 USD = $17.65 CAD.

And looking into proton pass, it seems like the majority of the cost is because of the email alias service that comes with it. Bitwarden doesn’t in fact provide that (though they do support integration of it) and a quick look at other providers that only provide custom emails it shows similar monthly fees (still less than proton pass to be fair).

Since Proton loves tiers, offer a more expensive tier for the email alias. They should offer a tier similar to BitWarden with similar pricing, and then offer a higher tier for the email alias, something most people don't care about.

So to me, it seems like a bit of unwarranted slander and lies (though I suppose, again, you could be on an old grandfathered plan; but it still doesn’t explain how the “next step up” is $15) because of some beef you have against them.

For the third time. Other countries exist. I know it's a crazy concept, but it's true. I didn't slander anyone, thanks.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sigh...Seems like every time Proton gets criticized, their fanboys always ensure to let you know that you're somehow wrong. I don't know how they managed to get recommended by so many people considering they provide unaffordable services for everyone not on a high income. I would try to migrate if I were you, they're pumping new features constantly despite their users wanting bugfixes and improvements to existing ones to gain more and more ecosystem users. It's a dark pattern. Look at Google and Apple.

"Oh, what about the free-tier?" It's a joke having to use their own clients when powerful open-source ones exist. "Oh, but it's because of the encryption that's protecting you!" I know how to use PGP, thanks. Plus, it only works if you're sending to other Proton accounts, and guess what? I don't even have control over my own key pair! (Edit: and when migrating away, I can't even bulk export my emails!)

Even the comments made by me and Dsklnsadog got vibe-based downvoted because they can't even bother to come up with a response on why our opinions were wrong. I'm glad I stopped using their services before I sent them any money.