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[–] [email protected] 58 points 5 months ago (21 children)

My point being, what are they going to achieve with this? Ask WhatsApp to pass over their encryption keys?

It should be pretty obvious that you shouldn't be sharing sensitive stuff on chat apps controlled by the NSA. Use element with encryption or something, maybe Briar etc. What are they going to do if you insist on using apps which use asymmetric client-side encryption, break TOR? Force you to use symmetric encryption and give the government your decryption keys?

I don't see how they are going to spy on sensitive details of Europeans with this. They might as well ban phones completely if they want to limit communication.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (6 children)

It’s literally in the article: They want to use client-side scanning. The client already has the data decrypted. This is much like what Apple wanted to introduce with CSAM scanning a while back. It’s a backdoor in each client and it’s a matter of time until it will be abused by malicious entities.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Yea, it is clear if there is just one closed-source app. But if we're talking XMPP/Matrix - they have multiple open-source clients, even if some of them does introduce scanning, no way it wouldn't be forked to remove it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (3 children)

If a messaging service is non-compliant, the government could theoretically take action with court orders against domain owners, server owners or pursue anyone hosting a node in case of a distributed setup. In a worse case scenario, they might instruct ISPs via court orders to block these services (e.g. The Pirate Bay in some countries)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah let's have them block github. I kind of want to see a federated git hosting platform integrated with the fediverse

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

They literally will do that. GDPR shows that they will go after big American companies (That’s the point, a huge chunk of this is protectionism to build a tech industry in the EU that they control)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

And if an app like Signal bypasses blocks, having it installed could become a crime.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Where I live, a lot of popular services, including major foreign social media and torrents everyone uses, are blocked - yet they still have a massive userbase.

And since the scanning is supposed to be client-side, how would a server check if the scanning was really performed? What if the server does receive and log the needed responses, just to be safe, but the client actually just sends them automatically while lacking such functionality?

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