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China unveils video of its moon base plans, which weirdly includes a NASA space shuttle (www.space.com)

submitted 6 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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The China National Space Administration (CNSA) has released a video of its concept for a lunar base to be developed across the next couple of decades.

CNSA unveiled the video on Wednesday (April 24) as part of the country's annual space day celebrations. The project is known as the International Lunar Research Station (ILRS) and was jointly announced in 2021 by China and Russia.

China is now leading the moon base initiative and attempting to attract international partners for the endeavor. So far, alongside China, Russia, Venezuela, Pakistan, Azerbaijan, Belarus, South Africa, Egypt, Thailand and Nicaragua have joined the initiative, according to Space News.

One curious detail of the video is the presence of a retired NASA Space Shuttle appearing to lift off from a launch pad in the background.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago (24 children)

hard to invent your own stuff when you have no social mobility or intellectual property and torture individualism.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (15 children)

China has been a centralized autocratic state for a couple thousands years and has invented almost everything in that time.

More seriously though, it's just not true to suggest that collectivist societies or autocratic states can't invent new things. The briefest glance at history shows it's just not true.

New things come from people having the time and resources to sit around and think about how to improve on the things we have. IP, social mobility and individualism just don't really come into it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

IP law is all about telling people what they can't create.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

More like telling people what they can't reproduce. A pretty important distinction.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Not always. As John Carmack said:

The idea that I can be presented with a problem, set out to logically solve it with the tools at hand, and wind up with a program that could not be legally used because someone else followed the same logical steps some years ago and filed for a patent on it is horrifying.

Many people have created things entirely from their own mind, and then find that they're violating IP law.

Even things like Calculus were invented simultaneously in different parts of the world. I mean, think about it, Calculus allows us to solve all kinds of problem that humankind had spent thousands of years thinking about and being unable to solve. Then, independently, in separate parts of the world 2 people invent / discover Calculus around the same time. If world wide IP law had existed, it might swoop in and tell one of them their thoughts were not legal.

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