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[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 months ago (60 children)

Is the investigation exhaustive? If these are all the crashes they could find related to the driver assist / self driving features, then it is probably much safer than a human driver. 1000 crashes out of 5M+ Teslas sold the last 5 years is actually a very small amount

I would want an article to try and find the rate of accidents per 100,00, group it by severity, and then compare and contrast that with human caused accidents.

Because while it's clear by now Teslas aren't the perfect self driving machines we were promised, there is no doubt at all that humans are bad drivers.

We lose over 40k people a year to car accidents. And fatal car accidents are rare, so multiple that by like 100 to get the total number of car accidents.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 6 months ago (40 children)

The question isn't "are they safer than the average human driver?"

The question is "who goes to prison when that self driving car has an oopsie, veers across three lanes of traffic and wipes out a family of four?"

Because if the answer is "nobody", they shouldn't be on the road. There's zero accountability, and because it's all wibbly-wobbly AI bullshit, there's no way to prove that the issues are actually fixed.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago (1 children)

So it's better to put more lives in danger so that there can be someone to blame?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Accountability is important. If a human driver is dangerous, they get taken off the roads and/or sent to jail. If a self driving car kills somebody, it's just "oops, oh well, these things happen, but shareholder make a lot of money so never mind".

I do not want "these things happen" on my headstone.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

So you would prefer to have higher chances of dying, just to write "Joe Smith did it" on it?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

But if a human driver is dangerous, and gets put in jail or get taken off the roads, there are likely already more dangerous human drivers taking their place. Not to mention, genuine accidents, even horrific ones, do happen with human drivers. If the rate of accidents and rate of fatal accidents with self-driving vehicles is way down versus human drivers, you are actually risking your life more by trusting in human drivers and taking way more risks that way. Having someone be accountable for your death doesn't matter if you've already died because of them.

Is it any better if you have "Killed by Bill Johnson's SUV" on your headstone?

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